The Spirit add-ons are problematic | Dead by Daylight

This video explains the effect of some of the Spirit's most troublesome add-ons (and how their unpredictable nature makes playing her even harder).

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  1. Just Geralt

    Just Geralt

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    I dont understand people saying spirit has no counterplay. Just DC as I do

    • Sabeeh AbdulSamad

      Sabeeh AbdulSamad

      پیش 4 روز

      Should I go for spirit in dbd mobile ?

    • Elodie Rakoto with a AK47

      Elodie Rakoto with a AK47

      پیش 21 روز

      The Counterplay: 1. Find out if it’s a stinky spirit. 2. DC. 3. In the the endgame chat, the killer will label you as a salty survivor. 4. Leave the match and play as normal.

    • A P

      A P

      پیش 29 روز

      @嘻 didn’t think of that, thanks for confirming.

    • Plus Plus

      Plus Plus

      پیش ماه

      Or gen rush?

    • Leung Horace

      Leung Horace

      پیش ماه

      thats 'out'standing move

  2. Ash ._.

    Ash ._.

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    As a Spirit main, I think a lot of it depends on the team you’re facing. Some of them can figure you out quickly, while others have no clue how to counter you. But I do agree that some of her add-ons are OP, so I personally don’t use them in matches. I’m hoping the devs will make the appropriate changes without completely destroying the way spirit is meant to be played. Also- great vid

  3. Cameron O'Quinn

    Cameron O'Quinn

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    Spirit has no rules in random ques, this is also true for survivors. Tournament rules often limit the survivors options more than the killer because survivors with the best perks are widely accepted as the stronger force. The best add-ons are iridescent. That's why they're iridescent. As long as you've been playing otz, you should see the holes in this argument. It's not a solid one. You can't talk about add-ons killers use, even spirit, without addressing add-ons survivors can use to counter her.



    پیش 2 روز

    I got the third one.

  5. Peter S

    Peter S

    پیش 4 روز

    Irony, he has a reverse soul patch talking about spirits

  6. ⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻


    پیش 4 روز

    The biggest counterplay to spirit is to watch otz videos and go afk ingame

  7. Mishani ss

    Mishani ss

    پیش 4 روز

    Okay, hold on. I was able to dodge all 3 attacks, and I don't chalk this up to luck. The reason for this is that, in this video, I can very clearly see the moment that Spirit starts phase-walking. Since I know exactly when Spirit has entered phase-walk, any variation in the timing caused by addons that decrease her phase startup time (yellow Ribbon and green Comb) are irrelevant. The only addons that may affect the timing of my Dead Hard are the movement speed addons (mother-daughter ring, yellow cap, and purple tablet). By removing the startup addons from the equation, the variance is small enough to be able to consistently dodge the hit in this particular controlled scenario. The same can be said for the recovery addons. The recovery addons have no bearing on the survivor's guesswork if the survivor can literally look at Spirit's model and *see* when she's entered phase-walk. The guessing game begins AFTER she starts phase-walking, not before. Though I agree that Spirit is busted, if you're not consistently calling out the moments she enters phase-walk within your range of vision, then you're not playing the Spirit matchup yet. In actual games, it's completely different. The Spirit might wait to see if you're going to vault the palette, or you might not have vision on her when she starts phasing toward you, but in this particular situation that Otz setup, where you KNOW that the spirit is going straight for the hit the moment she starts phasing, it is well within reason for the survivor to be able to consistently dodge the hit every single time.

  8. marshall casey

    marshall casey

    پیش 4 روز

    bro im a spirit player and what are the most toxic addons to run with eachother

  9. Renjiro


    پیش 5 روز

    1:38 I paused on my phone to indicate dead hard. I did it shortly before she appeared

  10. Elijah Hernandez

    Elijah Hernandez

    پیش 6 روز

    Tbh I still think spirit should come together whenever she phases, or just start phasing in and out of existence

  11. David Leiva Arias

    David Leiva Arias

    پیش 7 روز

    Even a trash killer like me gets 4ks with her, lmao... And she is listed as "hard"

  12. Max The Enchanter

    Max The Enchanter

    پیش 9 روز

    I think she has counterplay, it’s just significantly different from other killers, which is why people are having so much trouble with it.

  13. Max The Enchanter

    Max The Enchanter

    پیش 9 روز

    C’mon I just bought Spirit... and now she’s a problem? 😔

  14. N T

    N T

    پیش 9 روز

    I just think boring

  15. G1ZmOSixFive


    پیش 12 روز

    Spirit has a phase animation but yes with different speed and duration addons its very hard to counter

  16. drago1uk2000


    پیش 12 روز

    Playing spirit without one of the activation addons is doggy dogshit, thats the real problem.

  17. Dominick Chuka

    Dominick Chuka

    پیش 14 روز

    Spirit is problematic in general, just an unbalanced killer to begin with

  18. LeShawnDeQuea


    پیش 14 روز

    0:19 Otz slipped up and used too much of his infinite speed, but managed to rectify it. Nothing escapes my eye however.

  19. Nicholas Arthur

    Nicholas Arthur

    پیش 15 روز

    It's enough to make me not play survivor with friends dealing with the spirit. Literally no fun.

  20. Clash Gaming

    Clash Gaming

    پیش 15 روز

    I agree with what's being said here, as a spirit main who enjoys her power, I do say still she needs nerfed even after this has been out for a month, because I mean sloppy butcher with both iridescent add-ons, yes you lose that activation and cool down but that it doesn't because matter much for that speed you get

  21. bob awesome

    bob awesome

    پیش 17 روز

    I remember getting the spirit few years ago and struggling my first couple matches and thinking she's not that good.

  22. cimplekin


    پیش 18 روز

    The devs hear you, they said that they will nerf michael and made it tremendiously longer to get to tier 2!

  23. cimplekin


    پیش 18 روز

    The devs hear you, they said that they will nerf michael and made it tremendiously longer to get to tier 2!

  24. Troglodyllic CaveMan

    Troglodyllic CaveMan

    پیش 18 روز

    i hit it the first time mostly as it scared the shit out of me

  25. Rae Of Astora

    Rae Of Astora

    پیش 19 روز

    The whole game is problematic

  26. Tooki


    پیش 19 روز

    Spirit is problematic in general 😂

  27. Patrick Phillips

    Patrick Phillips

    پیش 19 روز

    Stop this relentless assault on spirt and her add on's etc, SWF are still the strongest thing in the game and you want to know what?.......... You've guessed it there is no counter play, just play the game and have fun, most spirits aren't even that good!

    • Jenny Frumdablok

      Jenny Frumdablok

      پیش 7 روز

      Stop this relentless assault on SWF and the information advantage, spirit is still overpowered and unfun to play against and you know what?... You've guessed it an incredibly skilled and dedicated swf is very hard to win against, just play the game and have fun, most swf are just playing for fun!

  28. Elodie Rakoto with a AK47

    Elodie Rakoto with a AK47

    پیش 21 روز

    Spirit: I have no counter play. Half of the community wants me to be nerfed, Just give them what they ask this one time BHVR. BHVR: ok The next mid-chapter update: the pig has been nerfed.

  29. Swift Steps

    Swift Steps

    پیش 21 روز

    God Pallets, SWF, Keys, easy delay perks and amazing loops. Makes me want to buy Spirit to counter these things.

  30. MetalHeartGunner


    پیش 22 روز

    I think the recent changes to sound modifiers like stridor were the nerf that the spirit needed, like stridor is literally useless for anything other than being a crutch for bad spirits to completely negate what makes her difficult to play in the first place, it doesn't just work as a "counter" to iron will which it doesn't do since most of the time it actually makes your cries of pain louder than they would be if you didn't run iron will because of bhvr's crappy spaghetti code, just as sometimes you'd randomly make no sound when you're injured or on the ground or killers' terror radius will randomly disappear as if they had tinkerer. Stridor just makes her braindead easy for newer players, other demanding killers like nurse or blight don't have such things to make them so significantly easier to play and you'll lose so many games untill you actually start to get the hang of their mechanics, but with spirit you can just equip this perk that works as training wheels.

  31. Francesco Griotti

    Francesco Griotti

    پیش 22 روز

    spirit: an op killer without counterplay: 15 seconds power reload. ghostface: the most counterable killer, his power can be countered in literally 1.5 secods: 30 seconds power reload

  32. Aeronizor


    پیش 22 روز

    Spirit counterplay: Just hide lol and dont get found

  33. Bulls_here


    پیش 22 روز

    YAY ! Stridor was nerf in 5.1.0 Patch !! Iron Will now counter this !!! YEEEEEEES

  34. deathbringer 989

    deathbringer 989

    پیش 23 روز

    1:50 holy shit i actually did it

  35. OminousImpression


    پیش 23 روز

    Spirit is weak she needs buffed

  36. TheKamekaze Hat

    TheKamekaze Hat

    پیش 24 روز

    It's also kinda bs that spirit can proc exposed perks using her power. While killers like blight can't.

  37. Vskutku Trigen

    Vskutku Trigen

    پیش 25 روز

    :D LoL I mean Balancing this game is useless... If killer wanna kill he will and it will not be fun for survs.... if survs wanna win and are in premate they will gen rush as hell and it will not be fun for killer.... This game just need community that try to enjoy this game but make it Enjoyable for other side too....

  38. EmusCanFly


    پیش 26 روز

    Honestly otz, it looks like even talking about this is killing you

  39. Mr ReeMann

    Mr ReeMann

    پیش 28 روز

    Reject spirit, return to wraith.

  40. Captain Doomsday

    Captain Doomsday

    پیش 28 روز

    So giving the Spirit audible footsteps during Phase Walk would probably fix this, but that could knock her right out of S-tier with how much information it gives, like that she's phasing at all. The strongest addons could also obtain this drawback, or lesser-used addons could be given properties to obfuscate footsteps, but that would reinstate the original problem. I guess there's no blanket solution and Spirit just needs to have at least one property locked, but that's also likely to be a raw nerf unless the related addons give something nice back.

  41. UriZielek


    پیش 28 روز

    Just play on console lol, then you know that you simply dont dead hard at all as she will smack you anyway!

  42. BorringGuy


    پیش 29 روز

    This is honestly the best video on the subject I've seen so far because yes, there is a definite problem here with how the addons can drastically change the game with little to no drawbacks or info for the survivor. It is a definite problem that needs to be fixed to add some more consistency between games and addons Most of the time you only here survivor mains complaining bout how they cant just camp palettes all day and loop the spirit round the infinite for a hour without realizing that you can easily dismantle her with a meta perk, Iron Will, and just not camping the palette, it pretty simple, just walk halfway round the loop so when she swings for the palette and misses, her power is now on cool down and just loop her like normal easiest way to fight a spirit is don't run and even if she is faking, just book it the moment she starts moving. All you need to beat her is a slight tweak to your playstyle, but most people don't like to acknowledge that

  43. TheSaviorOfSouls


    پیش 29 روز

    The only thing im sure of when playing against an spirit is that im going to die.

  44. River Crystal

    River Crystal

    پیش 29 روز

    I believe spirit does have counterplay but there should be more counterplay. A way of doing this would be letting the survivors know the addons.

  45. Beni K

    Beni K

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    The prestige system is problematic we should get shards for each prestige at least a 1k shards

  46. Max Carthy

    Max Carthy

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    Does spirit still make the air noise thing when she's near you while invisible?

  47. Ramirezkine


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    Nerf swf, then the spirit.

    • Ramirezkine


      پیش 4 روز

      @Jenny Frumdablok yes

    • Jenny Frumdablok

      Jenny Frumdablok

      پیش 7 روز


  48. Couch Time

    Couch Time

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    Why is your chin shaved? Beard looks weird as fuck

  49. Dw4rfLife _Justin

    Dw4rfLife _Justin

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    I usually don't play without addons but still get salt ( rank 5 )

  50. shame.


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    Addons are broken, not spirit itself!

  51. Spook SpwkSpwk

    Spook SpwkSpwk

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    A bit late to the party Obviously from a skill based standpoint spirit is unfair but if that's not a problem at a tournament level, why change it? I would dislike more if spirit lost the ghostly/unnerving theme she's got going right now and got boiled down to just another killer. Imo dbd's real problem is the fact that there is only one way to play it and that's ranked and that pushes players to an outcome based mentality which breeds toxicity. Of course people would get angry if they feel like they don't have control over winning/losing, if winning/losing matters. I guess this leads to the question if people want a more skill based, competitive game or more of a horror game.

  52. dimreaper 888

    dimreaper 888

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    i had my own thoughts on changing spirit one is making her doing an animation so the survivors see that she's activating her power but then she still could fake or just get rid of the husk

  53. AiToKirai


    پیش ماه

    Strong killer add-ons, Truly a tragedy. Good thing survivor's don't have any special advantages like instant communication. I say remove Franklin's, nerf Spirit, nerf Nurse and nerf mori's. Also add a DC penalty only for killers and bring back old DS too.

  54. Yuu Gael

    Yuu Gael

    پیش ماه

    So just nerf the add on then? I mean the game itself is already really survivor sided, I mean i get how bad spirit is right now and that she needs to be tone down a little bit.

  55. Sadmin Axel

    Sadmin Axel

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    I agree. Spirit has no couterplay but it is BECAUSE of her addons. So i would suggest making her recovery, speed, and charge time fixed regardless of addons, and instead rework her addons to be secondary effects (example: aura read in phase, hear survivors louder, see blood and scratchmarks more, etc). That way, instead of having no counterplay, the counterplay becomes learning the duration of her power and knowing how to dodge around the duration.

  56. GodTiers


    پیش ماه

    Oh well . We need a boss

  57. Zorkki


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    I'm a pretty average killer, 2ks is about my average across the board in red ranks, but with Spirit I can 4k every. single. game. she is OP without addons let alone with them.

  58. Ulitharid


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    I've been saying this since her release. Spirit is better than nurse for less mechanical skill, she's BEEN busted for a while now.

  59. The Egghead

    The Egghead

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    spirit just needs a rework

  60. ComoAP


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    damn i gotta use addons, this video has showed me that spirit addons ar OP, and I never use addons. lol edit: im a spirit main for those that don't understand

  61. Ronix


    پیش ماه

    Yeah nerf spirit again what a brilliant idea, then you have to play tryhard nurse in rank 1 to win and after a while she's gonna be "problematic" aswell so i guess nerf her too? You already have to sweat and tryhard to win at rank 1 but nerfing S tier killers isn't a solution and never will be.

  62. Cynth


    پیش ماه

    I got the timing right on the second two scenarios when i was trying to stay in rhythm with the first. I thought i did well until you said that and i realized the only reason i did so well is because i suck at rhythm games and pressed e too early each time.

  63. Captain Nyte Shade

    Captain Nyte Shade

    پیش ماه

    just adapt lol :P

    • Max Carthy

      Max Carthy

      پیش ماه

      The point is you can't

  64. RedBunn


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    Spirti reminds me of the Old Legion no cap

  65. Electra


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    Not only spirit needs a nerf but The nurse too

  66. The Majora

    The Majora

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    I main spirit for 2 years now and I need to agree about the addons. They’re to powerful and I personally got the feeling that it is addicting to use them so the game is gonna be much easier for you. The passive phase addons should be removed completely(in my opinion) because loops are difficult to run if she changes her direction when passive pw. But I think you can counter her power or learn how to play against her. I’m not a pro gamer. I feel like I’m still a beginner with my 1200 hours but when I play surv against a spirit she rarely hits me with her phase walk and often lose me while using it(I don’t crouch in the corner or hide in a locker, I’m just changing the loop or location itself)

  67. Ronin-


    پیش ماه

    I feel like a nerf to spirit could be narrow blue scratch marks when she is in phase.

  68. H9 SQEEZE


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    this is crazy but i’ve played for 2 years and never played against spirit

  69. Luis Angel

    Luis Angel

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    All these fog whispers acting like everyday survivors and killers have 3000k hours in the game. It’s annoying hearing killer mains and survivor mains say she’s op. Unless you have some really good headphones or headset and use strider you might win. Iron will and quick quiet easily counter her. Casuals don’t use her and you don’t really see spirit as much anymore. She’s perfectly balanced imo. She’s not an easy killer to learn and being pretty much blind while in phase is fair. Recovery is fine too. She’s an m1 killer like why are people complaining? Blight is way more annoying and common and imo easier to 4K. Same with big boy bubba. Going to be pissed if she gets nerf’d literally one of the most balanced killers. How about complain about outdated killers like Myers, pig, trapper, etc

    • Max Carthy

      Max Carthy

      پیش ماه

      @Luis Angel pogchamp

    • Luis Angel

      Luis Angel

      پیش ماه

      @Max Carthy yeah you can. The audio distinction is a lot better now compared to a while ago which is nice

    • Max Carthy

      Max Carthy

      پیش ماه

      I'm gonna be honest bro I disagree but I haven't had an argument on the Internet for at least 3 months so I'm gonna keep it that way 👍Can you still hear wind noises when spirit is phase walking?

  70. Kyle Reeping

    Kyle Reeping

    پیش ماه

    I was playing a spirit on midwich. She spawned on the upper floor and I spawned on a gen on the lower floor. I heard the SLIGHTEST terror radius (but no spirit sounds) and 3 seconds later I was being pulled off the gen. I had no idea it was spirit, I had no idea she was anywhere near me. There is zero counterplay to that unless you just happen to bring spine chill, which is otherwise not a great perk for experienced players.

  71. Yūrei


    پیش ماه

    I'm late but mother daughter ring is faster than a base blight rush wtf 😅

  72. B Halton

    B Halton

    پیش ماه

    She should move the grass imo or be completely deaf with 30% faster charge

  73. Sinception


    پیش ماه

    This has come to our attention, and we have thus solved the problem by slowing Blights vault speed. You're welcome.

  74. Dávid Fügedi

    Dávid Fügedi

    پیش ماه

    Survivals are all op! why cant killer mains have 1 op killer?!

  75. Maquinetas


    پیش ماه

    I've been a spirit main since her release, she's pretty easy to counter, just don't end up in my lobby

    • David Abbott

      David Abbott

      پیش 21 روز

      it annoys me that everyones like "she has no counter" yet they all do the SAME THING AGAINST HER

  76. Links's True Power

    Links's True Power

    پیش ماه

    My opinion on the matter is this: The Killers can be balanced just as soon as the no audio bugs fixed for survivors. Because if survivors can have a bug that buffs them for over a year, Killers get to have this much.

  77. Louis Byrne

    Louis Byrne

    پیش ماه

    do people actually find spirit fun to play tho? im a surv main but ive played plenty of killer games and i just never found her fun to play against survivors on atleast not like huntress / executioner. hitting a good hatchet or judgment just feels so much more rewarding then a successful phase.

  78. Zack Mash

    Zack Mash

    پیش ماه

    reverse phasing. she should blip into existence every couple of seconds in phase just like she blips out of existence when she is out of phase

  79. Keneolik


    پیش ماه

    BHVR: Ok otz, we listen You, now You have demogorgon nerf!

  80. Katt Katt

    Katt Katt

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    So my conclusion from this all is that Spirit would be fine if there was an indicator that she was using her power vs standing still and that most of the issues revolve around survivor knowledge of when her power is being used. I don't know how that would change the current methods of playing against spirit which is weak counter play at best and maybe also the nerfing of a few addons.

  81. TheAmazingYoshi


    پیش ماه

    just be killer, don’t have to counterplay her then

  82. Damaciaking Böseschokolade

    Damaciaking Böseschokolade

    پیش ماه

    But for real how do I play against a stridor spirit? I just don't see how you can avoid her (being stealthy) or things such as gender rushing her when the map isn't that big. There just isn't any fking counterplay. The only weakness in spirit is the player itself so yeah I just decided to DC all spirit games because it's just not fun to play against spirit.

  83. Jibb Gibby

    Jibb Gibby

    پیش ماه

    Hello Otz this is Killer and and today we're playing by daylight dead

  84. simbionte de la luz

    simbionte de la luz

    پیش ماه

    The best thing they can do is make her power to see survivors like ghosts or something like that and give a coldown or something

  85. Reservist


    پیش ماه

    You'd think being an incessant shill like Otz he wouldn't chime for unnecessary nerfs. Or is it just clickbait?

  86. It’s Garrus

    It’s Garrus

    پیش ماه

    We could talk til death about how the Spirit is bad for the game but that means virtually nothing for the people who are all for how she works because she is something in a game that can stomp the general population, whether counter play exists or not. And for gamers today, when they like using the best thing in the game they don’t wanna see it nerfed because it’s so strong and they love this fact, even if they’re constantly making the game bullshit for everyone else.

  87. QWAssant _

    QWAssant _

    پیش ماه

    I used to main spirit and I got more death threats than I did for being gay.

    • QWAssant _

      QWAssant _

      پیش 18 روز

      @Austin Wilson yeah, I got airdropped extremely homophobic videos and airdrops at my school multiple times, ahh the good old days.

    • Austin Wilson

      Austin Wilson

      پیش ماه

      People still do death threats for someone being gay? I'm sorry my friend

  88. Adok


    پیش ماه

    Im a spirit main and I will say that she honestly may have surpassed Nurse in how unfair it is

  89. ehaydon


    پیش ماه

    A way I think they could balance her is simply by making survivors be able to tell when she activates her power, and a small tell that the husk left behind is an actual husk.

  90. messiha666


    پیش ماه

    "add-ons are problematic" What, did they tweet something the mob deemed insensitive?

  91. Juan C. Torres

    Juan C. Torres

    پیش ماه

    You don’t mention anything about how many times the spirit in the game had to predict / guess the movement / route of the survivors. Both parts have to guess I think

    • Seb G

      Seb G

      پیش ماه

      Yes just guessing except you can hear them also see their scratch marks and blood trails even the grass they’ve ran through 🙃

  92. 1337Cabbage


    پیش ماه

    My issue is I recently watched the clip from Xeno showing him knowing exactly when the Spirit is activating her Power, but how little this actually means. You still don’t have any information on what part of a tile she’s approaching from after activating it, and any action you do can effectively just be a complete 50/50. This point about knowing when it is activated is also made meaningless if she does it from behind a wall, since you won’t see the animation

  93. Tauntteo


    پیش ماه

    love your vids and i agree but i main her so...

  94. Leitha Dapress

    Leitha Dapress

    پیش ماه

    Even when we could hear her footsteps though I could barely hear it

  95. Pharaoh Thutmosis

    Pharaoh Thutmosis

    پیش ماه

    Not defending being on the recieving end of a spirit with busted addons, but it sure gives some clout to being immersed in how a real invisible, unpredictable yapanese haunting ghost would be like, you truly are powerless and you cannot trust your eyes and need to even watch how loud you are breathing, props to BHVR for going balls deep on that immersion

  96. Random 11

    Random 11

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    Now this is something I can get behind. Spirit has both a strong power and strong add-one while most other killers have one or the other. It would be interesting if the devs give look into them a remove the ones that I believe push spirit over the edge: recovery. Recovery add-ons shaves off a ton of time between reads and means that even if a survivor makes the right read they may still have to do it again 8 secs later, sorta like how multiple blinks on nurse allowed her to recover from her mistakes and give the survivors no breathing room.

  97. Felcookies


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    Doesn't the spirit have a high skillcap? I mean the typical spirit player can't do all of this stuff, unless its a main or a rank 1

  98. Christian Krakhofer

    Christian Krakhofer

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    is it that time of the year again? i thought this time the hateboner goes to wraith

  99. MineMode


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    I got the 1st and 3rd dead hard guesses. Main reason is because i go against spirit way too often with fengs heavy breathing

  100. Xirlio


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    What they need to do with Spirit is make her have Wraith's invisibility. That would be quite a huge impact on her power as you would see her shape outline while phasing. And boom, now we have counterplay to Stridor Spirit and to her speed addons since you can kinda see her. But as it stands, Spirit has absolutely no counterplay other than you just being stupidly lucky at the Russian Roulette.